xyzgc
09-06 01:50 PM
** what type of action are you talking about. Who has the money to hire another lawyer to fight against these people. The only action one could have taken is to leave the company. But as a matter of fact all the desi companies are the same.
If you are talking about getting hired by big companies then tell me seriously how many companies are willing to go through the paper work and file h1-b. During the 2001 recession tell me how many big companies were hiring.
A drawback of the big companies is that if your are fired you loose your gc process, if you are working for a consulting company you have option of consulting and your greencard process is still intact.
I don't think these arguments about smartness vs luck are going to help anyone.
If EB3-I folks feel that they are stuck too long and getting green is a very high priority item, they would want to move/port to EB2. A lot of people have EB2 portability with the approved 140 and all but many have chose not to go this route for various reasons.
Is that being smart or stupid?
Some people feel they don't want to change their jobs and set their careers back. Others are just plain inertial. Still others feel its risky jumping through all the hoops all over again.
I think if you are just being inertial you are being more stupid than smart but other than that its a matter of choice.
The visa retrogression relief will happen when it happens. IV's organized efforts can't be blamed.
If we don't fight, we will not even have a fighting chance.You join IV's organized effort but don't just stop doing your own thing. As pointed out by others, individual decisions are also important and will probably make more difference to you as an individual than the collective community.
If you are talking about getting hired by big companies then tell me seriously how many companies are willing to go through the paper work and file h1-b. During the 2001 recession tell me how many big companies were hiring.
A drawback of the big companies is that if your are fired you loose your gc process, if you are working for a consulting company you have option of consulting and your greencard process is still intact.
I don't think these arguments about smartness vs luck are going to help anyone.
If EB3-I folks feel that they are stuck too long and getting green is a very high priority item, they would want to move/port to EB2. A lot of people have EB2 portability with the approved 140 and all but many have chose not to go this route for various reasons.
Is that being smart or stupid?
Some people feel they don't want to change their jobs and set their careers back. Others are just plain inertial. Still others feel its risky jumping through all the hoops all over again.
I think if you are just being inertial you are being more stupid than smart but other than that its a matter of choice.
The visa retrogression relief will happen when it happens. IV's organized efforts can't be blamed.
If we don't fight, we will not even have a fighting chance.You join IV's organized effort but don't just stop doing your own thing. As pointed out by others, individual decisions are also important and will probably make more difference to you as an individual than the collective community.
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pbojja
09-11 09:40 PM
Sent the book...See changes in the original msg.
http://www.amazon.com/Brighter-Child-Math-Preschool-Workbooks/dp/076967609X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1221181573&sr=1-2
*****************************
TO
The Honorable Emilio T. Gonzalez (Director)
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service
20 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20529
***************
My Message:
Hon. Mr. Gonzalez,
I would like to register my protest with you for not following an orderly method when approving I-485 applications. In the last two months, while the priority dates were current for several applicants from India in the EB2 category, most applications with later priority dates and later receipt dates were approved by USICS, causing deep concern and grief among those waiting patiently in the line before them.
This significantly reduces our confidence in the system. Thus, I am sending you this letter with a book as a symbol of protest and with the hope that USCIS will deal fairly with all the applicants as per the rules and regulations.
Thanks
My Name
****************
Note: On Amazon you must select gift option to add the message. No need to wrap it.
Absolutely , Do you have the address and responsible person for DOL,NSC,TSC? I just want to modify the letter and want to seek each ones responsibilty.
Lets get together folks and try to get some answers from DOL and USCIS , dont sit back and relax ..Its for every one ...lets get some thing kicked off
Stop Worrying ...Stop Talking ...Start Doing ...
Some may be worried to reveal identity ordering online ..lets buy 14 math books from local book store(or dollar store) and send 5 books to USCIS , 5 to DOL , 2 to TSC , 2 to NSC with name " GC aspirant from India or China" ...what do you guys think ? shall we kick this off this week end with differnt message to each one of them involved ?
http://www.amazon.com/Brighter-Child-Math-Preschool-Workbooks/dp/076967609X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1221181573&sr=1-2
*****************************
TO
The Honorable Emilio T. Gonzalez (Director)
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service
20 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20529
***************
My Message:
Hon. Mr. Gonzalez,
I would like to register my protest with you for not following an orderly method when approving I-485 applications. In the last two months, while the priority dates were current for several applicants from India in the EB2 category, most applications with later priority dates and later receipt dates were approved by USICS, causing deep concern and grief among those waiting patiently in the line before them.
This significantly reduces our confidence in the system. Thus, I am sending you this letter with a book as a symbol of protest and with the hope that USCIS will deal fairly with all the applicants as per the rules and regulations.
Thanks
My Name
****************
Note: On Amazon you must select gift option to add the message. No need to wrap it.
Absolutely , Do you have the address and responsible person for DOL,NSC,TSC? I just want to modify the letter and want to seek each ones responsibilty.
Lets get together folks and try to get some answers from DOL and USCIS , dont sit back and relax ..Its for every one ...lets get some thing kicked off
Stop Worrying ...Stop Talking ...Start Doing ...
Some may be worried to reveal identity ordering online ..lets buy 14 math books from local book store(or dollar store) and send 5 books to USCIS , 5 to DOL , 2 to TSC , 2 to NSC with name " GC aspirant from India or China" ...what do you guys think ? shall we kick this off this week end with differnt message to each one of them involved ?
sunny1000
06-02 03:07 PM
Also wanted to point out that the "dual intent" provision of the H1-B will be removed by this new CIR bill which will make matters worse for the people with I-485 pending as those applications can be rejected based on that.:(
More bad news for the legals
More bad news for the legals
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Canadian_Dream
06-02 08:18 PM
You are correct, it only uses I-140 application as a basis of setting the cut-off (Not I-485).
In my opinion:
Date of Introduction: May 15 2007
Effective Date: Oct 01 2008
Scenarios:
Scenario 1: I-140 Filed after Introduction and Approved before effective date. These cases are eligible for Immigrant Visa, whenever available.
Scenario 2: I-140 Filed after Introduction and not approved on the effective date. These cases have to refile.
Scenario 3: I-140 Filed before Introduction and not approved on the effective date. These cases are eligible for Immigrant Visa, whenever available.
Scenario 4: I-140 not filed becasue of backlogged labor. They retain the priority date but have to restart in the new system, whatever that means.
Only bad scenario is 2 and 4. The other bad aspect is reduced supply of immigrant visa 90,000.
Hey Canadian Dream:
I know things might change , i wish this law doesnt pass through at all. But in its form this is interpretation of major members and attorneys in current stage. Please correct me if i am wrong.
I might agree with your conclusion of start date, but Now coming to to cases :
Petetion for an employment based visa = I 140 , that were filed prior to the date of intro ( for our sake its Oct 2008 or May 15 2007 ) that were pending or approved , shall be treated as if such provision remained effective.
An approved petition may server as basis for issuance of an immigrant visa.
and for all people who are still in Labor stage will preserve their priority date.
Now based on this , if you have filed an I140 before the date of enactment what ever it might one should be fine. Once dates becomes current and I140 approved one can file for 485 in previous system.
I dont see any conclusion based on 485 is approved or not its just adjustment of status once PD become current , i think its all 140 that determines you are approved as an immigrant or not.
===========================
40 (2) PENDING AND APPROVED PETITIONS AND APPLICATIONS.�Petitions
41 for an employment-based visa filed for classification under
42 section 203(b)(1), (2), or (3) of the Immigration and Nationality
43 Act (as such provisions existed prior to the enactment of this
44 section) that were filed prior to the date of the introduction of
265
1 the [Insert title of Act] and were pending or approved at the
2 time of the effective date of this section, shall be treated as if
3 such provision remained effective and an approved petition may
4 serve as the basis for issuance of an immigrant visa. Aliens with
5 applications for a labor certification pursuant to section
6 212(a)(5)(A) of the Immigration and Nationality Act shall
7 preserve the immigrant visa priority date accorded by the date
8 of filing of such labor certification application.
In my opinion:
Date of Introduction: May 15 2007
Effective Date: Oct 01 2008
Scenarios:
Scenario 1: I-140 Filed after Introduction and Approved before effective date. These cases are eligible for Immigrant Visa, whenever available.
Scenario 2: I-140 Filed after Introduction and not approved on the effective date. These cases have to refile.
Scenario 3: I-140 Filed before Introduction and not approved on the effective date. These cases are eligible for Immigrant Visa, whenever available.
Scenario 4: I-140 not filed becasue of backlogged labor. They retain the priority date but have to restart in the new system, whatever that means.
Only bad scenario is 2 and 4. The other bad aspect is reduced supply of immigrant visa 90,000.
Hey Canadian Dream:
I know things might change , i wish this law doesnt pass through at all. But in its form this is interpretation of major members and attorneys in current stage. Please correct me if i am wrong.
I might agree with your conclusion of start date, but Now coming to to cases :
Petetion for an employment based visa = I 140 , that were filed prior to the date of intro ( for our sake its Oct 2008 or May 15 2007 ) that were pending or approved , shall be treated as if such provision remained effective.
An approved petition may server as basis for issuance of an immigrant visa.
and for all people who are still in Labor stage will preserve their priority date.
Now based on this , if you have filed an I140 before the date of enactment what ever it might one should be fine. Once dates becomes current and I140 approved one can file for 485 in previous system.
I dont see any conclusion based on 485 is approved or not its just adjustment of status once PD become current , i think its all 140 that determines you are approved as an immigrant or not.
===========================
40 (2) PENDING AND APPROVED PETITIONS AND APPLICATIONS.�Petitions
41 for an employment-based visa filed for classification under
42 section 203(b)(1), (2), or (3) of the Immigration and Nationality
43 Act (as such provisions existed prior to the enactment of this
44 section) that were filed prior to the date of the introduction of
265
1 the [Insert title of Act] and were pending or approved at the
2 time of the effective date of this section, shall be treated as if
3 such provision remained effective and an approved petition may
4 serve as the basis for issuance of an immigrant visa. Aliens with
5 applications for a labor certification pursuant to section
6 212(a)(5)(A) of the Immigration and Nationality Act shall
7 preserve the immigrant visa priority date accorded by the date
8 of filing of such labor certification application.
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shivarajan
03-07 02:30 AM
"Bindas maamu!"
After all those hopes & anticipations (esp. with recent soft lud's thingy) things are going to be bad in upcoming bulletin rather than good (or at least neutral).
It's difficult to rule out news/hint provided by the website to be incorrect so v are officially screwed?
To "sri1309" : Ur curse may have cast its spell?
After all those hopes & anticipations (esp. with recent soft lud's thingy) things are going to be bad in upcoming bulletin rather than good (or at least neutral).
It's difficult to rule out news/hint provided by the website to be incorrect so v are officially screwed?
To "sri1309" : Ur curse may have cast its spell?
ameryki
01-14 04:50 PM
I have a similar question -- the USCIS site says document mailed on Dec 26th, but I am yet to receive it. I have not heard from the Lawyers either. USCIS mailed the receipt to the lawyers but EAD to our home, what's the deal with AP - home or lawyers?
AP goes to your lawyer!
AP goes to your lawyer!
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lazycis
11-20 01:11 PM
Some benefits can be revoked automatically (I-140, I-485), some can be revoked only after determination is made by USCIS and a beneficiary is notified and has an opportunity to respond. EAD is one of the latter.
See e.g., 8 CFR Part 205 titled "Revocation of approval of petitions". It has two sections: 205.1 Automatic revocation and 205.2 Revocation on notice.
http://frwebgate4.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/PDFgate.cgi?WAISdocID=203798478322+8+2+0&WAISaction=retrieve
EAD is not listed in Sec. 205.1. Moreover, 8 CFR �274a.12(c) specifically lists reasons for automatic revocation. I-485 denial is not listed as such a reason. Therefore, EAD remains valid even after I-485 denial untill it expires or until USCIS director revokes it. I do not see any basis for a different legal interpretation.
See also this court of appeals (8th Cir.) decision where the court says that automatic revocation occurs only if a specific condition specified in the laws and regs is met:
http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/399/399.F3d.891.04-1132.html
"The district court thought that her adoptive father's petition for immediate relative status was automatically revoked when Taylor reached age 21, pursuant to 8 C.F.R. � 205.1(a)(3)(i)(F), but the record does not appear to support that conclusion. The automatic revocation occurs only if the alien reaches age 21 before commencing her journey to the United States (which Taylor did not) or if the alien reaches age 21 before a decision on a pending application for adjustment of status becomes final (and there is no evidence in the record that Taylor ever applied for adjustment of status). See 8 C.F.R. � 205.1(a)(3). Thus, it is possible that the petition for immediate relative status was not revoked when Taylor reached age 21, but rather — if the 1984 visa petition was "currently valid" as of her 21st birthday — automatically converted to an approved petition for classification as an unmarried daughter of a citizen of the United States, pursuant to 8 C.F.R. � 204.2(i)(2). See 8 U.S.C. � 1153(a)(1). In that case, Taylor may have been legally present throughout her time in the United States."
See e.g., 8 CFR Part 205 titled "Revocation of approval of petitions". It has two sections: 205.1 Automatic revocation and 205.2 Revocation on notice.
http://frwebgate4.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/PDFgate.cgi?WAISdocID=203798478322+8+2+0&WAISaction=retrieve
EAD is not listed in Sec. 205.1. Moreover, 8 CFR �274a.12(c) specifically lists reasons for automatic revocation. I-485 denial is not listed as such a reason. Therefore, EAD remains valid even after I-485 denial untill it expires or until USCIS director revokes it. I do not see any basis for a different legal interpretation.
See also this court of appeals (8th Cir.) decision where the court says that automatic revocation occurs only if a specific condition specified in the laws and regs is met:
http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/399/399.F3d.891.04-1132.html
"The district court thought that her adoptive father's petition for immediate relative status was automatically revoked when Taylor reached age 21, pursuant to 8 C.F.R. � 205.1(a)(3)(i)(F), but the record does not appear to support that conclusion. The automatic revocation occurs only if the alien reaches age 21 before commencing her journey to the United States (which Taylor did not) or if the alien reaches age 21 before a decision on a pending application for adjustment of status becomes final (and there is no evidence in the record that Taylor ever applied for adjustment of status). See 8 C.F.R. � 205.1(a)(3). Thus, it is possible that the petition for immediate relative status was not revoked when Taylor reached age 21, but rather — if the 1984 visa petition was "currently valid" as of her 21st birthday — automatically converted to an approved petition for classification as an unmarried daughter of a citizen of the United States, pursuant to 8 C.F.R. � 204.2(i)(2). See 8 U.S.C. � 1153(a)(1). In that case, Taylor may have been legally present throughout her time in the United States."
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GCStatus
09-14 04:16 AM
Please join our hands at "If i can be a little blunt" thread
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autture
04-26 04:50 PM
You can get NJ DL on reciept and employers letter. Only thing is you need to go to Trenton or other service centers and not in local office. I got it few months back when I was in you situation.
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bpratap
05-15 06:10 PM
But were U able to get the loan at the end ?
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leoindiano
04-30 03:12 PM
Stupid king doesnt understand the diff. between this limit and H1 limit.
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november
09-10 07:04 AM
Data available in Mumbai consulate website
http://mumbai.usconsulate.gov/cut_off_dates.html
Category India Most Other Countries
F1 15 April 2002 15 April 2002
FX 1 May 2001 1 May 2001
F2A 1 January 2004 1 January 2004
F2B 15 December 1999 15 December 1999
F3 22 June 2000 22 June 2000
F4 22 May 1997 22 October 1997
E1 Current Current
E2 1 April 2003 Current
E3 1 July 2001 1 January 2005
EW 1 Janurary 2003 1 Janurary 2003
E4 Current Current
E4-Religious Current Current
http://mumbai.usconsulate.gov/cut_off_dates.html
Category India Most Other Countries
F1 15 April 2002 15 April 2002
FX 1 May 2001 1 May 2001
F2A 1 January 2004 1 January 2004
F2B 15 December 1999 15 December 1999
F3 22 June 2000 22 June 2000
F4 22 May 1997 22 October 1997
E1 Current Current
E2 1 April 2003 Current
E3 1 July 2001 1 January 2005
EW 1 Janurary 2003 1 Janurary 2003
E4 Current Current
E4-Religious Current Current
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09-13 11:59 AM
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sanju
04-30 02:49 PM
Michael Aytes starts speaking - provides stats about how good USCIS is doing and how many people were processed/given green cards.
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chanduv23
08-13 07:11 AM
Most people here in this forum have no clue what is happening. We can keep on argueing that skilled immigrants add value, innovation etc... but do not understand how politicians think. Senator Schumer talks about products and innovations - he doees it because our opposition has lobbied successfully and convinced the politicians. Products and innvoations do not happen by one person but, they evolve. Most of the big products were not developed by one person, but were developed because of teams, implementations, exchange of ideas etc..... Everyone in the supply chain is very important. If there are restrictions just to satisfy anti immigrants and their beliefs, then it will harm competitiveness.
What is the point in having a bunch of managers when there is no one who is doing actual work?
Moving people from company to company - this is the best thing that can happen. Consultants are more exposed and are better skilled. I would rather prefer to hire someone who has a beautiful resume with different projects rather than selecting someone who as been at a single place for 10 years who has no clue how outside world looks. Thats why consultants are paid big money.
If our community does not realise what is going on with us then we suffer like this. It is high time that we realise what is going on.
Do not trust the Indian American community to help new immigrants. The Indian American community is a FAT community with a lot of money and will care least for new immigrants. In fact they may work against us because they would not like to make it easy for us to compete. Those who are suffering are on their own. The community must realise and come forward.
Do you have it in you? If yes, come forward today, build your community, make it stronger and lobby hard - there is a lot of hard work to be done
What is the point in having a bunch of managers when there is no one who is doing actual work?
Moving people from company to company - this is the best thing that can happen. Consultants are more exposed and are better skilled. I would rather prefer to hire someone who has a beautiful resume with different projects rather than selecting someone who as been at a single place for 10 years who has no clue how outside world looks. Thats why consultants are paid big money.
If our community does not realise what is going on with us then we suffer like this. It is high time that we realise what is going on.
Do not trust the Indian American community to help new immigrants. The Indian American community is a FAT community with a lot of money and will care least for new immigrants. In fact they may work against us because they would not like to make it easy for us to compete. Those who are suffering are on their own. The community must realise and come forward.
Do you have it in you? If yes, come forward today, build your community, make it stronger and lobby hard - there is a lot of hard work to be done
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indio0617
03-09 11:07 AM
Sen : says he has several amendments (title 2) still to discuss
6181, 6238, 6239, 6182 (mandatory federal response) , information sharing, deportability for criminal offenses
Sen Specter: Says they will have another session next Wednesday, thursday for further amendments, markups. Title 2 will close. onto title 3 now..
6181, 6238, 6239, 6182 (mandatory federal response) , information sharing, deportability for criminal offenses
Sen Specter: Says they will have another session next Wednesday, thursday for further amendments, markups. Title 2 will close. onto title 3 now..
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gk_2000
08-23 10:12 PM
Send your recommendations to USCIS/DOL and your certification about bsc and bcom. Also enlighten us with your larger perspective of how this multinational executive making 32K per annum adding more jobs/potential to the economy.
I have nothing to recommend to them as things are fine as they are. And there will be no recommendation coming from me to close any door at all, whether it be for EB2 or anyone else.
You can go ahead and recommend against EB3 BSc BCom losers, as it is your business
To shut down a program because of a few mis-users : I am sure you WONT agree to extend this logic to your precious EB2 application when someone points out how someone else misused it
I have nothing to recommend to them as things are fine as they are. And there will be no recommendation coming from me to close any door at all, whether it be for EB2 or anyone else.
You can go ahead and recommend against EB3 BSc BCom losers, as it is your business
To shut down a program because of a few mis-users : I am sure you WONT agree to extend this logic to your precious EB2 application when someone points out how someone else misused it
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12-10 08:15 AM
We have received cards yesterday. It took one week from approval of I-485 to Physical cards. We are happy at the end everything went well. I wish all of our friends best of luck for all their immigration wishes.
<I>Note: I noticed that physical cards envelope does not have any USCIS stamp or from address. After seeing that I thought it is some credit card company mail and kept away(didn't through out). Later when we opened, there are cards in it. This is just to let other know(F.Y.I) envelope does not remind any USCIS.</I>
<I>Note: I noticed that physical cards envelope does not have any USCIS stamp or from address. After seeing that I thought it is some credit card company mail and kept away(didn't through out). Later when we opened, there are cards in it. This is just to let other know(F.Y.I) envelope does not remind any USCIS.</I>
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ita
08-26 02:46 PM
I have home loan with Standard Chartered. Got the variable interest loan from them in 2004. One thing I liked is I did not have to goto India for the loan processing!
My brother sent related documents here in US and I signed, got few of those notarised and sent them back. It took about a month for the complete process.
They do charge about Rs. 350 for prepayment though. Otherwise overall I am happy with the service they provided.
I just called the Standard Chartered bank's NY office. The operator told me they don't have anyone to answer any questions regarding home loans as they don't do it. Did you contact Indian office for all your questions or did your brother do all the research and sent you the paperwork? Appreciate your response.
Thank you.
My brother sent related documents here in US and I signed, got few of those notarised and sent them back. It took about a month for the complete process.
They do charge about Rs. 350 for prepayment though. Otherwise overall I am happy with the service they provided.
I just called the Standard Chartered bank's NY office. The operator told me they don't have anyone to answer any questions regarding home loans as they don't do it. Did you contact Indian office for all your questions or did your brother do all the research and sent you the paperwork? Appreciate your response.
Thank you.
reachag
12-18 02:30 PM
# nycgal369, Senior Member like you coming up with this idea...hmmm..
Do you think mass rallies by illegals has helped them? Did not it back fire? will be the same for us. Will not help. The question is not about being scared, its more about doing the right thing.
First of all, forget about back firing, can we get 100 people to do this. IV has been trying for funds and i dont think even 10% have contributed..why would u think any one would loose a pay day? even if you take 20$/hour i.e 160$ per day. Lot of members are not ready to contribute 50 bucks :) There might be a few who can not contribute due to various reasons and i totally sympathize with them but what about the remaining?
My point is not to discourage but just for a reality check
Do you think mass rallies by illegals has helped them? Did not it back fire? will be the same for us. Will not help. The question is not about being scared, its more about doing the right thing.
First of all, forget about back firing, can we get 100 people to do this. IV has been trying for funds and i dont think even 10% have contributed..why would u think any one would loose a pay day? even if you take 20$/hour i.e 160$ per day. Lot of members are not ready to contribute 50 bucks :) There might be a few who can not contribute due to various reasons and i totally sympathize with them but what about the remaining?
My point is not to discourage but just for a reality check
chanduv23
09-12 11:07 AM
In my opinion
(1) Community must unite
(2) People must come out of anonymity by providing true information
(3) People must walk the talk - just not open threads and keep discussing
(4) Efforts must be well organized - IV is a great organization - we have state chapters where people can organize themselves - helps us all to do things more effectively
The biggest issue is - everyone come here and open threads but it alll stops there - people join state chapters but do nothing - just want to get updates - and always blame IV for whatever happens and question IV and want to grill IV as to what IV is doing.
Can we all get organized?
Sanjeev - I am sorry I am digressing from the original plan of this thread - but lets face reality - what is the use of all these tangential efforts - you may get hundreds of replies on this thread - but is there a proper directive? No one knows what to do it all starts and ends in discussion and waste of valuble time doing nothing.
I would rather recommend
(1) Lets get organized
(2) Give out proper information
(3) Pledge wholehearted support
(4) Be committed
(5) Join a state chapter
(6) Expand the community
(7) Work hard
(8) gather support
(9) take initiatives to lead - support will follow
(10) Do not waste time on unnecessary predictions, discussing waste, roumors etc...
(11) Understand the effort - lobbying - understand that IV needs a lot of money for lobbying - please contribute - please raise funds
Is everyone ready to do the above?
(1) Community must unite
(2) People must come out of anonymity by providing true information
(3) People must walk the talk - just not open threads and keep discussing
(4) Efforts must be well organized - IV is a great organization - we have state chapters where people can organize themselves - helps us all to do things more effectively
The biggest issue is - everyone come here and open threads but it alll stops there - people join state chapters but do nothing - just want to get updates - and always blame IV for whatever happens and question IV and want to grill IV as to what IV is doing.
Can we all get organized?
Sanjeev - I am sorry I am digressing from the original plan of this thread - but lets face reality - what is the use of all these tangential efforts - you may get hundreds of replies on this thread - but is there a proper directive? No one knows what to do it all starts and ends in discussion and waste of valuble time doing nothing.
I would rather recommend
(1) Lets get organized
(2) Give out proper information
(3) Pledge wholehearted support
(4) Be committed
(5) Join a state chapter
(6) Expand the community
(7) Work hard
(8) gather support
(9) take initiatives to lead - support will follow
(10) Do not waste time on unnecessary predictions, discussing waste, roumors etc...
(11) Understand the effort - lobbying - understand that IV needs a lot of money for lobbying - please contribute - please raise funds
Is everyone ready to do the above?
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